Logical evidences that prove God and the bible

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Firstly, great emphasis is given that the contents of this series are intended to give Biblical information and insights on some of its contents. They are not intended to scare or offend anyone. It is one’s prerogative to read and never be shoved into one’s throat.

This piece is a simple sharing of bible passages. It doesn’t endorse any specific faith, religion, denomination, system of beliefs or theology aside from those in the bible.

It is in the “exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference” as provided by The Philippine Constitution that this article was made.

If you find them scary, intimidating or offensive, please feel free to take them with a grain of salt and regard them like a badly written movie script.

Logical evidences that make biblical claims truthful

While Christians and believers of God and Jesus made the bible a foundation of their faith, many others could not get themselves to appreciate it and its contents because they see perceived contradictions and errors. If the Bible indeed is full errors or blatantly contradicts itself, it’s hard to trust it or view it as reliable.

On the other hand, there are logical reasons that suggest the bible doesn’t lie and is not self-contradictory. This series attempts to show logically sound evidences that supports the bible speaking of facts.

These logical proofs will, in turn, lend more credibility on the truthfulness and veracity of the bible’s contents, God’s existence and that the bible is not outdated.

The long and continuous hatred and persecution of Christian preachers proves the existence of the devil and Jesus’ second coming

Two of the most unbelievable characters in the bible is Jesus and Satan. Using various persecution of the preachers of Christ is logical proof why both actually are real.

The bible says Jesus made two prophecies, specifically (1) He will come again and (2) the gospel will be preached to all nations.

30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:30-31, NKJV

15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15-16, NKJV

Here’s an instruction and declaration by Jesus regarding preaching the Gospel:

15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15, NKJV

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14, NKJV

Further, the bible also speaks of the devil, God’s adversary. Here is Revelation describing an event regarding the devil: 12Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” Revelation 12:12, NKJV

10and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10, ESV

Combining all scriptures quoted in this section, one can conclude that the gospel will be preach to all nations first before Jesus is coming back, and the devil will be thrown into hell after this happens.

This is one of the bigger proofs that Satan exists and the second coming is real as demonstrated by the much hate for and persecution of Christian preachers sustained for long periods of time.

If the devil wants to delay or stop his punishment, one way of doing it is wipe out Christian preachers at all cost so these prophecies cannot happen. Literally and spiritually.

Why would he just not let Christians preach? It is because the devil has so much at stake and couldn’t just lay low and hide what he wants to do about Jesus’ second coming while seeing his time running out.

28When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 29“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” Matthew 8:28-29, NIV

Of course, he would want Christian preachers annihilated, persecuted, harassed. If that’s not possible, he wants all of them to become unbelievers.

It’s no surprise then that Christian preachers are probably the most harassed and persecuted groups in history.

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Click for more logical reason / proof :

The Bile is straightforward
The Bible is Honest
The Bible tells readers to test itself
The Bible writers were willing to die for their claims
The long and continuous hatred and persecution of Christian preachers proves the existence of the devil and Jesus’ second coming
Not having a complete original copy has helped the Bible stood test of time
The Lord’s thoughts and ways are higher than humans’
Science never found a cure for all illnesses or slow down the aging process
The presence of an intelligent designer: The human body
The presence of an intelligent designer: arrangement of heavenly bodies

The bible is straightforward

We could say being clear-cut and simple is a key element of reliability and honesty is to trust.

While there are many tales narrated by the bible, one thing remains clear from start to finish: it’s main theme. It’s Satan’s rebellion against God, his tempting of mankind and man getting on God’s side so he will have everlasting life. That’s what the bible is for

she [Eve] took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband [Adam] with her, and he ate…  And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” So the Lord God said to the serpent…I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed….” Genesis 3: 6, 14-15, New King James Version

And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,  but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12: 7-9, NKJV

16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16, NKJV

The LORD’s model prayer emphasized this aspect: 9“This, then, is how you should pray:…. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Matthew 6:9,13, New International Version

In a nutshell, the premise is following Satan and doing evil is a lot easier than obeying God and doing good. And most humans often falls short of the requirements laid out by the old covenant. This made man suffer gruesome punishments and miss the rewards reserved for those following them.

To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:… In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”  Genesis 3: 17, 19 NKJV

The bible continues to narrate that while God directly instructs his people in the olden times through his prophets, he set out a remedy for all people to enjoy. Jesus, the Messiah, was born of a human earthly mother; preached love for God and for fellowmen during a time when these were very difficult to do; performed miracles and spearheaded occurrence of some supernatural events; and give up his life to pave way for an easier route to the afterlife reward today.

It says people have to believe in Jesus, among other things:

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:6, NKJV

but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.” John 20:31, NKJV

It is about faith, belief, loyalty to God and Jesus.

Anybody using the bible for questions it never intended to tackle might misunderstand the book and could easily get misled.

At any rate though, the bible are still full of answers for questions, queries, and problems that are related to topics beyond faith.

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The bible is honest

This is a book that practically tells all, no holds barred on many subjects. The bible narrates and lays down events, persons, rules, and situations of many kinds, whether good or bad, realistic or supernatural, soothing or offensive. This book isn’t holding back anything.

For example, the Old Testament is full of performance of intriguing values, actions, and intents may seem unfit during today’s norms and offends many in today’s society.

There are tales of slavery, slaughtering, polygamy, divorce, violence, punishment by death, being sexually immoral, and many more were told.

But so are tales of love, sacrifice, sacredness of life, goodness, and righteousness.

The bible says it is primarily intended for those who seek eternal life and testimonies about the Godhead. When it come to these topics, just name it, the bible has them;

And the authors were telling the events as they saw them unfold under the conditions they were in, or as being revealed to them by the inspiration of God claim.

Further, the authors’ being humans who are devoid of perfection, thus having different ways of expressing their thoughts displayed the bible’s honesty.

They did it their style and not made to suit another person’s wishes. A comparison of the Gospel writings of Mark, Matthew, John and Luke would highlight this.

It should also be noted that the collection of the scriptures were written under different situations, conditions and eras which influenced how they presented their stories.

One has to study the existing conditions and situations when a verse or chapter in the bile is written and what is its context before concluding there is indeed a contradiction or error.

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The bible tells readers to test itself

As a safeguard, the bible gave its readers an out by wanting and encouraging them to not just blindly believe its contents but instead investigate them.

This is the only book that encourages its readers to test its contents covering a wide range and variety of topics.

Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.” 1 Thessalonians 5: 19-22, NKJV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1, NKJV

These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.” Acts 17:11,  NKJV

The bible is a claimer of a set of knowledge or information that is difficult for many to accept. There is no more bolder act the bible can offer than to put these claims to test.

The bible just did that.

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The bible writers were willing to die for their claims

Further, their authors, especially in the New Testament, exhibited tons of credibility of being faithful witnesses who are simply giving accurate testimonies.

There is not a single piece of evidence that the authors of the bible had motives other than giving their testimony. In

The bible authors, especially the New Testament ones, exhibited tons of credibility of being faithful witnesses who are simply giving accurate testimonies by not gaining anything material from their acts, even showing their willingness to die for their claims.

There is not a single piece of evidence that the authors of the bible had motives other than giving their testimony. In fact, they had everything to lose and nothing to gain for performing such act.

Many of them were put to death, sometimes in gruesome, painful ways because of it. Here are how some of them died, per various accounts: Peter, Andrew, Jude  – crucifixion; Matthew – spearing, then beheading; Philip – impaled by iron hooks in his ankles and hung upside down to die; and Paul – beheading.

Even John, the beloved apostle, who was the only apostle to die of old age and not martyred, was not spared of difficulties as he was imprisoned on the island of Patmos where he wrote the Book of Revelation.

It was clear these men had greater fear of telling a lie than dying, even after Jesus’ death.

It would have been easier for them to simply tell a lie, make up another story, and stop proclaiming what they saw as these would likely be the reason they would be persecuted.

Unless their testimonies were absolutely true.

When the motivation of an author is to simply spread the word and the prospective readers are challenged to put his or her output to test, that author is confident of his or her output. These are very good marks of the output’s true honesty.

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Not having a complete original copy has helped the Bible stood test of time

The mere fact that copies of the bible, a book that doesn’t have a complete original copy, still exists today and is still the best seller is a wonder itself. It turns to astonishment when millions have trust in this book for the idea of having the capability to live again after death.

Why would many bet this much since time immemorial to date from a source that has no original copy is simply another marvel.

Many simply rely on their belief that God not only inspired the writing of this book but is also guiding it to reach billions of human eyes to see, ears to hear, and minds to digest as to the reason for this trust.

The matter of fact is the absence of a complete copy of the original manuscripts may have actually become an advantage for the bible in its purpose of spreading its message to the generations after Jesus Christ’s death.

14Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” , Mark 16: 14-15, NKJV

As messengers of the gospel found themselves scattered more and more all over the world, the need for translating the scriptures into different languages became a complicated matter without an original copy.

As a result, many made their own translations on different basis and conditions and claimed it as the real one.

While this scenario opens the possibility of passing an incorrect message, it also made huge numbers of religious leaders and theologians of different sects and beliefs to constantly study, scrutinize, debate, argue, and talk about the correct contents of this book, thereby, introducing it to millions of their respective followers.

This condition likely creates a self-policing scenario where each group would guard against improper translations and would likely point errors out in order to protect their own flock against “false” interpretations.

It is a simple logical analysis, it is easier to corrupt one copy than several copies. The more copies a book has, the harder to change its contents.

This condition can give a certain high-level assurance that the main messages the authors wrote more than 2,000 years ago are exactly what today’s generation have.

Technology in recent years is giving bible scholars the capability to cross reference today’s version to surviving copies and manuscripts from yesteryears to check if there are material variations and corruptions.

The pieces of manuscripts and relics from the past, some of them are claimed to be as early as the first century, allowed confirmation that the teachings in the older versions has been consistently carried over to the newer versions.

When one analyze it well, it’s a logically sound conclusion that not having an original copy of the bible is proving the existence of God.

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The Lord’s thoughts and ways are higher than humans’

God made this declaration in the old testament:

8“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9“As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9, New International Version

What God meant here was not  explained by the next verses but it is quite clear that the verse is referring to the idea that there are things and knowledge that God knows but humans doesn’t.

And God made the perfect analogy for the bible reader to get a correct picture.

Using stars, one of the element found in the “heavens”, one should easily understand how the knowledge humans possess is just a small percentage of the total knowledge God has.

Just how many stars in the sky are? Here’s what science says:

According to an article of Fraser Cain in universe.com, there are 100 to 400 billion stars in the Milky Way and more than 100 billion galaxies in the Universe,  maybe as many as 500 billion.

By simple multiplication of stars by galaxies, at the low end, you get 10 billion billion stars, or 10 sextillion stars in the Universe, a 1 followed by 22 zeros. At the high end, it’s 200 sextillion.

Isn’t it daunting for one to even establish a starting point in order to calculate the number worlds and heavenly bodies that remains undiscovered by man.

In fact, humans cannot even have a complete understanding of all things in his own planet. Just consider that some people have to get a second opinion, or even more, on some medical, scientific or economic  questions before making a decision.

If human knowledge is mainly limited to items found on earth, just imagining the knowledge they are missing from not being able to physically explore about 100 galaxies is unfathomable.

It is safe to say that by human standards, there are “infinite number of worlds and planets that are unexplored by humans, thus cannot be studied.

By this declaration of God,  He must be telling humans that one of the purposes of the stars that flicker in the sky at night is remind man that there things he cannot comprehend that God does.

Science never found a cure for all illnesses or slow down the aging process

This one is simple. There is huge income waiting for the inventor of a a cure for each kind of illness. A longer lifespan awaits the finder of  a medicine or vitamin that prevents diseases or a remedy for slowing down the aging process.

Despite the obvious desire and need, the wonderful benefits of a longer lifespan, no inventor or system of science could come up with a solution to prevent or cure all diseases so man could live a longer, healthy life.

On the other hand, God once said about age bracket that is attainable by human standards:

3And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” Genesis 6:3, NKJV

Moses also mentioned an age bracket made a declaration on age standard in his prayer recorded in Psalms that still holds generally true today:

5The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away. Psalm 90, English Standard Version

Interestingly, Moses died at exactly 120 years old while he was still relatively healthy.

7Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died. His eyes were not dim nor his natural vigor diminished. Deuteronomy 34:7, NKJV

Even so, the bible says man can live forever.

9And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:9, NKJV

22Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” Genesis 3:22, NKJV

These accounts of some biblical characters having longer life spans back this idea.

5Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died. Genesis 5:5, ESV

7This is the sum of the years of Abraham’s life which he lived: one hundred and seventy-five years. Genesis 25:7, NKJV

The other examples in between this age range are Noah, who lived for 950 years; Methuselah for 969 years; Lamech for 777 years; Eber for 464 years, among others.

The bible’s claim of death befalling to mankind was when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit:

19By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” Genesis 3:19, ESV

Given these considerations, science can easily destroy the bible’s accounts on death and life spans if it could invent a remedy to increase man’s life span, or even just retain the vigor of human during their life. Again, this is more of a need rather than a desire.

But as proven by the test of time, the bible’s claim of death being sentenced to humankind by God is nearer to the truth than the ability of science to invent a medical remedy that could allow a man to increase his lifespan to at least 200 years in a healthy manner.

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The presence of an intelligent designer: The Human Body

This has been the argument used by many Christian pastors and debaters in proving the existence of God and Jesus. Their points are very logical.

Many living and non-living beings are consisting of or subject to very complex systems. It should be difficult to understand how these could exist simply by chance and without an intelligent designer!

The human body

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to conclude that the human body is one of the most complex life forms on earth. Human beings could be arguably considered the most complex organisms on this planet.

The human body is a single structure but it is made up of billions of smaller parts, the atoms and molecules.

These billions of microscopic parts, each with its own identity, will have to work together in an organized manner in order for the human being to live.

These parts will constitute cells, tissues, organs and systems, like the skeletal, muscular, nervous, endocrine, cardiovascular, lymphatic, respiratory, digestive, urinary, reproductive systems, that will form the human.

These organ systems will have to interact with one another and work constantly to maintain the balance needed for the survival of the human being.

The different abilities and qualities of a human being, like the five senses of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and touching; ability to store information in the brain; and able to comprehend, discern and make decisions will highly suggest credibility of the argument that the human being will only exist with an intelligent designer and not simply by chance that will have to start with a void of nothingness.

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The presence of an intelligent designer: arrangement of heavenly bodies

Illustration by nasa.gov

Astronomy showed how the planets in our solar system are moving perfectly in unison so they wouldn’t collide each other and follow a certain path around the sun even though the are “free-floating” in space.

These heavenly bodies are constantly in motion but for the hundreds of years, documented by man, no pair of planets or heavenly bodies, not even a substantially large asteroid or comet have not collided with each other.

Here’s why that’s so as explained scientifically: The planets and heavenly bodies are in the company of huge clouds of interstellar gas and dust. Together, the materials and bodies in these clouds is in constant motion, and the clouds themselves are in motion, orbiting in the aggregate gravity of the galaxy.

https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu explains this that as a result of this movement, the cloud will most likely have some slight rotation as seen from a point near its center. This rotation can be described as angular momentum, a conserved measure of its motion that cannot change.

Conservation of angular momentum explains why an ice skater spins more rapidly as she pulls her arms in. As her arms come closer to her axis of rotation, her speed increases and her angular momentum remains the same.

Similarly, her rotation slows when she extends her arms at the conclusion of the spin.

https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/ gives a simplistic view of how the planets’ rotation around the sun works:

A planet orbiting the Sun is like the moon or a NASA satellite orbiting Earth. The lighter object orbits the heavier one, and the Sun is, by far, the heaviest object in the solar system. In the same way, the moon and satellites we launch orbit Earth because they are so much lighter than our planet.

The Sun’s gravity pulls on the planets, just as Earth’s gravity pulls down anything that is not held up by some other force and keeps you and me on the ground. Heavier objects (really, more massive ones) produce a bigger gravitational pull than lighter ones, so as the heavyweight in our solar system, the Sun exerts the strongest gravitational pull.

Now if the Sun is pulling the planets, why don’t they just fall in and burn up? Well, in addition to falling toward the Sun, the planets are moving sideways.

This is the same as if you have a weight on the end of a string. If you swing it around, you are constantly pulling it toward your hand, just as the gravity of the Sun pulls the planet in, but the motion sideways keeps the ball swinging around.

Without that sideways motion, it would fall to the center; and without the pull toward the center, it would go flying off in a straight line, which is, of course, exactly what happens if you let go of the string.

Science has long confirmed that a slight misalignment  of the earth orbit around the sun will catastrophically affect life on earth as we know it.

This claim of wandering of the earth away from its normal path would cause a substantial shift in temperatures, making it burn or freeze and ensuring impossibility of life on earth.

You would not need to imagine what effect if other planets and heavenly bodies in the solar system would travel away from their path. Here’s NASA showing an artist’s concept if that happens:

This is an artist’s concept illustrates a catastrophic collision between two rocky exoplanets in the planetary system BD +20 307, turning both into dusty debris. Source: https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/what-happens-when-planets-collide Image Credit: NASA/SOFIA/Lynette Cook

Logically, it makes less sense that all these constant motion did not result to any observed collision in as far as man’s registry of events is concerned.

The conditions are too perfect, the details of the sizes of the heavenly bodies are too pinpoint, their distance from each other and the right amount of heat and light afforded to the earth are too much of a coincidence.

To think of it, this heavenly bodies arrangement is a battle of two belief systems: (1) This happened because of a “big bang”, that the planets were formed from nothing and became what they are today; and (2) Somebody must have designed the beautiful ball-shaped heavenly bodies and positioned them in their right spots so they can travel their right orbit.

Betting odds will definitely favor the second alternative over the first. One could argue that choosing the first option than the second is a bigger leap of faith.

I am certain the odds of seeing a man who is blind at birth see because he believes in the supernatural are far, far better than seeing a fully functioning car being assembled by putting into orbit around the earth its different parts.

Especially if were are talking the span of a billion years.

Here’s the bible’s account on this logical reasoning:

1The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. Psalm 19:1-2, NIV

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Purpose of the bible

The bible made clear what kind of book is it. It is intended for those who want eternal life. It is not a science or history book. Many tend to forget this.

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40, New King James Version

It also made its theme clear. While there are many tales narrated by the bible, one thing remains clear from start to finish: Humans caught in a crossfire between powerful adversaries and one of them, God, is offering redemption/salvation.

The bible says the devil rebelled and continues to rebel against God and dragged humans along to be involved in this godly battle he started.

7And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. Revelation 12:7-8, NKJV

…she [Eve] took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband [Adam] with her, and he ate…  And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” So the Lord God said to the serpent…I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed…. Genesis 3: 6, 14-15, NKJV

12Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. Luke 8:12, NIV

God’s love and the danger posed prompted Jesus to come to earth and provided everyone a way to get out of the mess.

16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16, NKJV

8He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8, NKJV

These verses encapsulates what the new testament is for. If you are encourage by these verses, you are invited to search the bible deeper and find out more about Jesus and his teachings.

Conservative approach

The presence of spirits and unexplainable events and multiple scientific, medical, and logical reasons that supports the bible and its authors’ credibility project a possibility that God do exists. As such, being conservative might be the best alternative here.

Accountants describe conservatism as selecting the option that would show the worst possible financial standing of a business entity when two or more unproven alternatives are available. This is to remove the user of the account’s output be exposed to a bigger risk in case the worst possible scenario happens.

As it stands, the risk of not believing in and obeying God far outweighs the benefits of doubting his existence. It might be best to act conservatively, believe what the bible says, until it is absolutely proven that there is indeed no God nor hell.

By: Armando M. Bolislis
If you are inspired and want to give Jesus a try, go on a deeper search of the bible, especially the New Testament. This will show you how to become his disciple. Always ask the Holy spirit for guidance in your search.

If you feel the want to belong to a Christian church or organization, find one that will help you improve your relationship with Christ and lead you to his eternal promises.

The opinions and suggestions contained in this article are solely of the author and doesn’t necessarily reflect the stance of Baguio Herald Express management and staff.

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